Spacing with the chaire with kobukusa underneath is exactly the same as without it. Pretend the kobukusa isn’t there → place the chaire where it should go → put the kobukusa underneath as-is (positioning-wise).
Haiken
We weren’t sure! It’s probably heri-uchi right? (That’s what we did)
UNLIKE KARAMONO, you do not put the lid on the upper right of the kobukusa. The host put it on the floor when they put it out, so you should do the same as the guest (I don’t know if I agree with this thinking but w/e).
Chaire in general is not 2h atsukai. It’s 1h. You atsukai bowl when moving it because it has something inside, and when you’re taking the chaire out of the bowl, you hold L atsukai against the BOWL (because it has something in it), not the chaire. This is the same move as when you atsukai to support futaoki going into kensui.
Specifically: L to atsukai bowl when chaire is in, then as you take chaire out, L comes away as well.
Official urasenke rule is to spin the kobukusa + chaire combo, ie with the chaire in the center: take the corners of the kobukusa and spin, no supporting the chaire.
His preference: bring the corners up to the shoulder of the chaire, turn with hands in C position (ie no spinning, support all the time).
Holding the karamono, I should hold it more in my palm than on finger tips.
We had some debates / discrepancies from what is earlier in my notes. Maybe some of these things are correct and I need to amend previous notes?
He had me put chasen at kensui no migi-kata, but my prior notes have it at outer hishaku position.
He felt that you snap + sou-sabaki first, then take chashaku, but my notes say that you take chashaku, then snap while holding chashaku. This one, he admits, may be getting confused with juuden.
For backing out of temaeza in a shomenguchi this time he felt that you should turn toward the wall when holding kensui, then toward guest with everything else. I actually prefer this (versus always toward the guest).
Don’t forget!
Open the mizusashi lid etc completely after first bowl. Do literally everything except for adding mizu.
After second bowl, chakin is already on the kama lid. You can’t close up shop and turn to kyakutsuki. Instead, take this entire conversation from imai, ie:
Ofukugaken
Turn to imai
Add cold water
Wait, answer questions from here
Back out of temaeza every time.
Q: Why? There’s nothing in front of us to back out from (no daisu).
Shifuku go down onto bon when turning from mizusashi to haiken position with R, not with L (it’s a rehold)
Placing the tenmokujawan down, your hands should be (more or less, maybe less severe) like you were just drinking (ie drinking from a stream position). So when you place down, you should still be in that cupped position.
This doesn’t always work, so two things to do to make it easier.
General: Hold your hands higher on the rim (still cupped)
Daien-no-sou specific: The chashaku must point toward the center, but it doesn’t need to be at 4:30. Move it to 4 or a bit over to make space. (this really helps!)
After “rei”, you can leave a lot of tea on the bon. To avoid this, it is okay (and preferred) to try to get it off when you’re tapping the tenmokujawan.
On your last scoop, tap the bottom at the end of the scoop to get more off.
Then, when tapping at 7 o’clock, it’s okay to tap twice!
Other
Fukurodana / shinodana == tana that looks like joo daisu (iirc)? Multiple shelves.
It is OKAY to wait for the drip to avoid getting water on your <dai, daien-bon, chashaku, etc>. Likewise it is OKAY to tilt the scoop slightly up (ro) when you return the hishaku to the kama.